	{"id":66801,"date":"2022-05-05T15:32:49","date_gmt":"2022-05-05T14:32:49","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.artefact.com\/?post_type=news&#038;p=66801"},"modified":"2024-09-20T17:45:49","modified_gmt":"2024-09-20T16:45:49","slug":"the-drum-deep-dive-podcast-the-rise-and-rise-of-digital-advertising","status":"publish","type":"blog","link":"https:\/\/www.artefact.com\/de\/blog\/the-drum-deep-dive-podcast-the-rise-and-rise-of-digital-advertising\/","title":{"rendered":"Interview von The Drum - Podcast: Aufstieg und Niedergang der digitalen Werbung"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-1 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling article-author\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-background-color:#ffffff;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row 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title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:50;line-height:1.2;\">Author<\/h2><\/div><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"data:image\/svg+xml,%3Csvg%20xmlns%3D%27http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2000%2Fsvg%27%20width%3D%27150%27%20height%3D%270%27%20viewBox%3D%270%200%20150%200%27%3E%3Crect%20width%3D%27150%27%20height%3D%270%27%20fill-opacity%3D%220%22%2F%3E%3C%2Fsvg%3E\" data-orig-src=\"https:\/\/www.artefact.com\/\/wp-content\/uploads\/2022\/04\/coggia-pascal-management-team-artefact.jpeg\" alt=\"Image\" class=\"lazyload artefact-elegant-image align-left article-author-image\" style=\"width: 150px; border-radius: 54% 46% 77% 23% \/ 74% 40% 60% 26%; overflow: hidden;\" width=\"150\" height=\"auto\" \/><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-2 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-three article-author-name-title\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom-small:8px;\"><h3 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:20;line-height:1.2;\">Pascal Coggia<\/h3><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-1 article-author-description\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>UK Managing director &amp; Partner at Artefact<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><div class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-2 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-margin-top:40px;--awb-margin-bottom:40px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-center fusion-flex-justify-content-center fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:calc( 1440px + 20px );margin-left: calc(-20px \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-20px \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-1 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column fusion-flex-align-self-center fusion-column-inner-bg-wrapper\" style=\"--awb-padding-top:20px;--awb-padding-right:20px;--awb-padding-bottom:20px;--awb-padding-left:20px;--awb-overflow:hidden;--awb-inner-bg-size:cover;--awb-border-color:rgba(10,17,40,0.1);--awb-border-top:1px;--awb-border-right:1px;--awb-border-bottom:1px;--awb-border-left:1px;--awb-border-style:solid;--awb-border-radius:4px 4px 4px 4px;--awb-inner-bg-border-radius:4px 4px 4px 4px;--awb-inner-bg-overflow:hidden;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:10px;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:10px;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:10px;--awb-spacing-left-medium:10px;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:10px;--awb-spacing-left-small:10px;\"><span class=\"fusion-column-inner-bg hover-type-none\"><a class=\"fusion-column-anchor\" 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nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:calc( 1440px + 20px );margin-left: calc(-20px \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-20px \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-2 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:10px;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:10px;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:10px;--awb-spacing-left-medium:10px;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:10px;--awb-spacing-left-small:10px;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-4 description\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>Last month, Artefact\u2019s UK managing director, Pascal Coggia, took part in The Drum\u2019s Deep Dive podcast, \u2018The rise and rise of digital advertising\u2019.<\/p>\n<p>He talked to Chris Sutcliffe, The Drum\u2019s senior reporter for tech:<\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><article class=\"fusion-fullwidth fullwidth-box fusion-builder-row-4 fusion-flex-container nonhundred-percent-fullwidth non-hundred-percent-height-scrolling\" style=\"--awb-border-radius-top-left:0px;--awb-border-radius-top-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-right:0px;--awb-border-radius-bottom-left:0px;--awb-flex-wrap:wrap;\" ><div class=\"fusion-builder-row fusion-row fusion-flex-align-items-flex-start fusion-flex-justify-content-center fusion-flex-content-wrap\" style=\"max-width:calc( 1440px + 20px );margin-left: calc(-20px \/ 2 );margin-right: calc(-20px \/ 2 );\"><div class=\"fusion-layout-column fusion_builder_column fusion-builder-column-3 fusion_builder_column_1_1 1_1 fusion-flex-column\" style=\"--awb-bg-size:cover;--awb-width-large:100%;--awb-margin-top-large:0px;--awb-spacing-right-large:10px;--awb-margin-bottom-large:0px;--awb-spacing-left-large:10px;--awb-width-medium:100%;--awb-order-medium:0;--awb-spacing-right-medium:10px;--awb-spacing-left-medium:10px;--awb-width-small:100%;--awb-order-small:0;--awb-spacing-right-small:10px;--awb-spacing-left-small:10px;\"><div class=\"fusion-column-wrapper fusion-column-has-shadow fusion-flex-justify-content-flex-start fusion-content-layout-column\"><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-3 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom-small:8px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:50;line-height:1.2;\">Do you think that digital advertising is serving its purpose of communicating on the behalf of brands?<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-5\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>\u201cWhat we see that is interesting is that the brand element is a big part of the advertising budget. But despite the significant amounts of money being paid for brand advertising, it is still something that is very hard to measure in terms of how effective it is.<br \/>\nFrom a data science perspective, even Marketing Mix Modelling (MMM) surveys that should be indicating the returns on each dollar spent on advertising fail at capturing the brand element.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-6\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>Therefore it\u2019s hard to answer whether advertising is communicating the brand properly because the data to back this up is not really there at the moment \u2013 although there is a lot of work being done to look at how an effectiveness measurement for brand advertising can be included.<br \/>\nThis is especially true when we look at building brands over the long run and not just relying on TV to do that.<br \/>\nSo, in answer to the question, today it is really hard to know [whether digital advertising is serving its purpose of communicating on behalf of brands], but if we don\u2019t have the right measurement in place, we\u2019re probably not doing as great job at it as we could do\u2026\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-4 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom-small:8px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:50;line-height:1.2;\">Do you think there are any sectors that are doing digital advertising particularly well?<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-7\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>\u201cFirst, it\u2019s important to look at why data is not being widely adopted at scale, with one of the main barriers being an issue of timings.\u00a0 For any transformation, organisations need to plan ahead, taking two, three or four years to train the right people, adopt new processes, etc \u2013 but the data landscape is changing every year, making it hard to adapt fast enough.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-8\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>That said, tech companies themselves are doing well.\u00a0 Samsung for example is very good at this because managing data and digital is in its DNA.\u00a0 Then we have the travel industry &#8211; hotel companies and car hire enterprises, for example; facing strong competition online they have had to change very fast to adapt their organisations for this new landscape.\u00a0 After that, consumer packaged goods (CPG) organisations are progressing, with other major sectors such as heavy industry, pharmaceuticals and banking on a slower transformation journey.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-5 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom-small:8px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:50;line-height:1.2;\">What are the conversations you are having about best practice around data use?<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-9\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>\u201cThis is a wide topic that goes beyond advertising\u2026.\u00a0 However, the \u2018must haves\u2019, such as the push for a cookie-less world, are usually set by the technology companies themselves, with the understanding that everyone needs to comply.<br \/>\nBest practice needs to be addressed in terms of compliance from both a tech and privacy perspective in line with the different regulations that are in place.\u00a0 Then there is what organisations need do proactively themselves, with one of the main elements being that everything is based around<a href=\"https:\/\/www.artefact.com\/data-consulting-transformation\/data-governance\/\"> data governanc<\/a>e; this is now a big consideration in all organisations, with the growth in its prominence illustrated by heads of data governance being appointed to the board, rather than just being responsible for advertising.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-10\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>One of the things with data today is that people are often afraid of it; and when they are afraid, they don\u2019t want to know what\u2019s happening, and go as far as trying to hide it.\u00a0 Data governance is there to say, \u2018don&#8217;t hide anything, know what is happening each time your data is used and transformed\u2019.\u00a0 This requires documenting everything to do with your data \u2013 where it comes from, where it\u2019s stored, how you use it and how it\u2019s processed.<br \/>\nOnce everything is documented and compliant, the final step of best practice is to ensure that data is useful; if a lot is being collected, it\u2019s important to do a lot with it, and understand why you are doing this.<br \/>\nThis means that advertising should become more of a service than simply pushing out information &#8211; understanding a bit more about your customers and then personalising audience segments. Rather than data just being a pipeline, it\u2019s about using it to do something that delivers customer value.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-6 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom-small:8px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:50;line-height:1.2;\">Are we now at a place where transparency is a given, that we need to be as transparent as possible \u2013 or is there a perverse disincentive to cloak what we do in a bit of secrecy?<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-11\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>\u201cThere are probably two sides to the transparency issue; one for the end customer, who has been targeted by the ad, and then also in terms of the advertiser, particularly around costs and where and how their money is spent. We\u2019re seeing an increase in transparency for the customer, who is getting more information, such as how their data is being used to make an ad more personalised, which is really positive.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-12\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>Where we are not so good in terms of transparency, in my opinion, is with the media platforms, which are more of a black box, with control taken away from the advertiser and put in the hands of the platform, which makes decisions based on algorithms.\u00a0 On the one hand this is great, as they more data you have, the more you can understand what\u2019s happening.\u00a0 However, the results of algorithms are not always explainable.<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-13\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>There&#8217;s a whole initiative now around transparent AI and ethics in AI which is about understanding what the algorithm is actually doing; it could be that this is not fair or unbiased, but this is hidden in the \u2018black box\u2019.\u00a0 With technology becoming creative in its use of AI, I think there&#8217;s a big risk of losing transparency.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-title title fusion-title-7 fusion-sep-none fusion-title-text fusion-title-size-two\" style=\"--awb-margin-bottom-small:8px;\"><h2 class=\"fusion-title-heading title-heading-left fusion-responsive-typography-calculated\" style=\"margin:0;--fontSize:50;line-height:1.2;\">What are you most excited about in the future of digital advertising?<\/h2><\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-14\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p>\u201cIt\u2019s a difficult question!\u00a0 But what I like is that the current trends in digital advertising have taken it from \u2018mad men\u2019 to \u2018math men\u2019, making it a world for people that bring logic, science and intelligence into what they are doing.<\/p>\n<p>This stems from the recent integration with the AI and data science elements and is leading to a lot of new things. One instance of this is causality, which is becoming a big topic in advertising because it\u2019s important to understand the direct and indirect effects of one channel over the other. Causality is not very advanced in other fields, but its progress in marketing means that advertising is now leading the way in scientific areas &#8211; which is very exciting.\u201d<\/p>\n<\/div><div class=\"fusion-text fusion-text-15\" style=\"--awb-text-transform:none;\"><p><i><span style=\"font-weight: 400;\">Coggia was joined on The Drum Podcast by Jason Hartley at full service agency, PMG, and Alice Jennifer Moore from design-agency Foolproof.\u00a0 The full version is available to listen to <a href=\"https:\/\/www.thedrum.com\/news\/2022\/04\/19\/deep-dive-podcast-the-rise-and-rise-digital-advertising\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">here<\/a>.\u00a0<\/span><\/i><\/p>\n<\/div><\/div><\/div><\/div><\/article><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>6. 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